From narten@hygro.adsl.duke.edu Thu Jan 27 04:00:52 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: djb@cr.yp.to Received: (qmail 18896 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2000 04:00:52 -0000 Received: from hygro.adsl.duke.edu (root@152.16.64.159) by muncher.math.uic.edu with SMTP; 27 Jan 2000 04:00:52 -0000 Received: from hygro.adsl.duke.edu (IDENT:narten@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hygro.adsl.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01703; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:01:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200001270401.XAA01703@hygro.adsl.duke.edu> To: "D. J. Bernstein" cc: nordmark@eng.sun.com, randy@psg.com (Randy Bush), Olafur Gudmundsson , namedroppers@internic.net Subject: Re: namedroppers mismanagement In-Reply-To: Message from "D. J. Bernstein" of "15 Jan 2000 23:25:03 GMT." <20000115232503.8513.qmail@cr.yp.to> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:01:00 -0500 From: Thomas Narten On January 15, 2000, the Internet ADs received a complaint from D. J. Bernstein entitled "namedroppers mismanagement". This note is our response. The jist of the complaint was summarized by Mr. Bernstein as: > In short, to use the language of RFC 2026 section 6.5.1: Mismanagement > of the namedroppers mailing list is preventing the IETF DNS working > groups from adequately considering the views of their participants, and > is placing the quality and integrity of the working group's decisions in > jeopardy. The Internet ADs do not agree with this assertion. In particular: 1) The Internet ADs are aware that the mailing list is moderated and support the chairs efforts in keeping WG activities focussed on WG chartered deliverables. 2) The specific 7 incidents cited include: - 3 that occurred more than a year ago, [not considered due to statue of limitations considerations] - 1 involving lack of timely approval of a posting, [inevitable with a moderated list] - 1 involving what was clearly a problem with the mailing list software [a message posted at the same time by one of the ADs was also caught in the same timewarp] - 1 involving a message that was rejected as off-topic (with a note suggesting a different mailing list) - 1 involving a message that was forwarded to dnsop, rather than being posted to namedroppers, without the author being told this was being done. We do not see any evidence that one of the WG chairs, Randy Bush's moderating activities "actively and deliberately bias the mailing list discussions". (As a side note, namedroppers is actually co-moderated by Randy Bush and Mark Kosters.) However, we have sent a reminder to the chairs/moderators that all rejected postings (including messages forwarded to a more appropriate list instead) should result in an explanatory note being sent to the author. Finally, in your note: > P.S. Is there an email address for the Internet Society Board of > Trustees? I have the individual addresses of the current members but > would prefer to use a group address if one exists. We feel compelled to point out that in the event that further appeals are deemed necessary, the process to follow is outlined in RFC 2026. Specifically, the next place to appeal this response is the IESG, followed by (if necessary) the IAB. Note that appeal to the ISOC is specifically mentioned in section 6.5.3 of 2026. Thomas & Erik